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there are two situations if you play vik (you fast imp in both):
if he does fast imp: turk early imp is devastating, with instant hand cannoneers and bbcs & hussars, but it will leave his economy really low. This is the moment to fight because viks can do a fast imp as well but with huge economy difference. So you hold his attack and in the long run, your eco will make you win
if he doesn't fast imp: you obviously do fast imp and it's gg, completely impossible to defend arb / ram combo if he still castle booming. but not likely to happen unless enemy is very noob.
[*] If you are attacked by : Champion Line
-Counter with : Archers, Scorpions, Cav Archers, BB towers, Hand Cannoneers,
Saracen Mamelukes, Aztec Jaguar Warriors, Byz Cataphracts, (Paladins)
[*] If you are attacked by : Halberdier line
-Counter with : Champions, Archers, Cav archers, Scorpions, BB towers, Keep
line, Hand Cannoneers, Saracen Mamelukes, Aztec Jaguar Warriors, Byz Cataphracts
[*] If you are attacked by : Eagle Warriors
-Counter with : Champions, BB Towers, Hand Cannoneers, Saracen
Mamelukes, Aztec Jaguar Warriors, Byz Cataphracts, (Paladins), (Goth Huskarls)
[*] If you are attacked by : Archers
-Counter with : Skirmishers, Siege Onagers, BB Towers, BB Cannons, Keep
line, Paladin line, Eagle Warriors, Goth Huskarls
[*] If you are attacked by : Skirmishers
-Counter with : Anything excluding archery, Monks, and Korean War Wagons
[*] If you are attacked by : Cav Archers
-Counter with : Skirmishers, Siege Onagers, Towers, Eagle Warriors, Goth
Huskarls
[*] If you are attacked by : Hand Cannoneers
-Counter with : Paladin line, Archers, Cav Archers, Siege Onagers, Towers,
(Scorpions), (Skirmishers)
[*] If you are attacked by : Hussar line
-Counter with : Halberdier line, Champion line, Paladin Line, Camel line, Massed Scorpions (Hand Cannoneers), Janniserries, (Eagle Warriors), Towers, Cavalry Archers, Saracen Mamelukes, Byz Cataphracts, (Persian Elephants), (Teutonic Knights)
[*] If you are attacked by : Paladin Line
-Counter with : Halberdier line, Camel line, Saracen Mamelukes, BB Towers,
(Elephants)
[*] If you are attacked by : Camel Line
-Counter with : Halberdier line, Saracen Mamelukes, Teutonic Knights, (Eagle
Warriors), (Champions), Towers, Massed Scorpions
[*] If you are attacked by : Rams
-Counter with : Anything but archery
[*] If you are attacked by : Onagers
-Counter with : Anything hand to hand
[*] If you are attacked by : Scorpions
-Counter with : Onager line, Ram Line, Paladins, UU Archery, Eagle Warriors,
Goth Huskarls, Towers
[*] If you are attacked by : Monks
-Counter with : Anything fast or with range
( ) means works but not really considered a counter...
AOE-AOK-TC Unique Unit Counter Units :
If you are attacked by...Counter with
[*] Aztec Jaguar Warrior :
Archers, Cav Archers, Hand Cannoneers, Saracen Mameluke, Towers, (Paladins), Byz Cataphracts, Scorpions
[*] Briton Longbowmen :
Siege Onagers, Paladins, Eagle Warriors, Goth Huskarls, Korean War Wagon
[*] Byz Cataphract :
Paladins, Saracen Mameluke, Camel line, BB Towers, Mongolian Mangudai
[*] Celtic Woad Raider :
Paladin, Aztec Jaguar Warriors, UU Archery, Massed Scorps, Towers, Byz Cataphract, Cav Archers, Hand Cannoneers, Teutonic Knight, Saracen Mameluke
[*] Chinese Chu Ko Nu :
Skirmishers, Onagers, Eagle Warriors, Goth Huskarls, Paladins, British Longbowmen, Towers, Korean War Wagons
[*] Frankish Throwing Axemen :
Paladins, Onager line, Archers, Hand Cannoneers, (Saracen Mamelukes), Byz Cataphracts, Cav Archers, Towers, Scorpions,(Teutonic Knights), Persian War Elephants
[*] Goth Huskarls :
Champion Line, Hand Cannoneers, Paladins, Aztec Jaguar Men, Byz Cataphracts, BB Towers, Saracen Mamelukes, Frankish Throwing Axemen
[*] Hun Tarkan :
Paladins, Camel Line, Goth Huskarl, Halberdier line, Cav Archers, UU Archery
[*] Japanese Samurai :
Archers, Cav Archers Hand Cannoneers, Towers, Scorpions, Frank Throwing Axemen, Saracen Mameluke
[*] Korean War Wagon :
BB Towers, Siege Onagers, Camel line, Skirmishers, Trebuchets
[*] Mayan Plumed Archer :
Skirmishers, Eagle Warriors, Goth Huskarls, Brit Longbowmen, Paladins, Onager line, Korean War Wagons
[*] Mongol Mangudai :
Skirmishers, Archers, Massed Onagers, Towers, Eagle Warriors, Goth Huskarls, Korean War Wagon
[*] Persian War Elephant :
Halberdiers, Monks, VERY Massed Scorpions, BB Towers, Saracen Mamelukes
[*] Saracen Mameluke :
Onagers, Massed Scorps, Archers, Mongolian Mangudai, Towers
[*] Spanish Conquistador :
Towers, Archers, Cav Archers, Onager line
[*] Teutonic Knight :
Scorpions, Archers, Cav Archers, Hand Canoners, Towers
[*] Turkish Janissary :
Archers, Cav Archers, Paladins, Onager line, Massed Scorpions, Towers
[*] Viking Berserker :
Japanese Samurai, Archers, Cav Archers, Scorpions, Frank Throwing Axemen, Saracen Mamelukes Teutonic Knights, Hand Cannoneers, Persian War Elephants, Towers
( ) means works but not really considered a counter
Archers + Bombard Cannon seems the best option as BC got a huge range.
Just send 5 rams in front of 40 arablests and those jannisarys are dead. GG
kill monks first and then attack with pala or its archers use onagers or scorpians